{"id":6688,"date":"2022-03-01T00:30:26","date_gmt":"2022-03-01T06:30:26","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/blog.zoha-islands.com\/?p=6688"},"modified":"2022-03-01T00:30:26","modified_gmt":"2022-03-01T06:30:26","slug":"interview-philip-rosedale-founder-linden-lab","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/zoha-islands.com\/blog\/interview-philip-rosedale-founder-linden-lab\/","title":{"rendered":"Interview: Philip Rosedale, Founder, Linden Lab"},"content":{"rendered":"
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Ravi Kumar S,<\/span><\/span>
President, Infosys,<\/span><\/span>
with<\/span><\/span><\/span>
Philip Rosedale<\/span><\/span>,<\/span><\/span>
Founder<\/span><\/span>,<\/span><\/span> Linden<\/span><\/span>
Lab<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/h3>\n

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Ravi Kumar<\/span> 00:<\/span>1<\/span>3<\/span><\/span>
Hello everyone, my name is Ravi Kumar, President at Infosys. Welcome to this new chapter of<\/span>
Trailblazers Talk in 2022. This is a great time to connect, a very exciting time for Infosys as we<\/span>
announce the launch of Infosys metaverse foundry to help enterpri<\/span>ses navigate the metaverse by<\/span>
partnering within them on a discover<\/span>–<\/span>create<\/span>–<\/span>scale cycle. We will harness the power of a<\/span>
confluence of technologies, 100+ ready<\/span>–<\/span>to<\/span>–<\/span>apply use cases and templates, 3D environments, an<\/span>
ecosystem of partners, platforms and much mor<\/span>e to make it all happen. Infosys, as all of you<\/span>
know, is deeply invested into training, I would say lifelong training infrastructure. We have the<\/span>
largest corporate training university in the world. So, we are also making a foray into something<\/span>
called the m<\/span>etaverse in education and learning and we’re hoping to stay ahead of the curve there.<\/span><\/span><\/span>
What a great time to have the special guest today<\/span> –<\/span> Philip Rosedale, the founder of Linden labs,<\/span>
the parent company of Second Life, the original metaverse company found<\/span>ed almost 20 years<\/span>
ago, as an open<\/span>–<\/span>ended internet connected virtual world. Following Second Life, Philip worked on<\/span>
several projects related to distributed work and computing. Intrigued by the innovations in VR<\/span>
enabling devices, he reentered the virtual wor<\/span>ld, co<\/span>–<\/span>founding High Fidelity a company devoted to<\/span>
the future of next<\/span>–<\/span>generation virtual reality using spatial audio. He rejoined Second Life in 2022,<\/span>
as a strategic advisor, focused on helping and shaping a better metaverse. Phillip, thank you so<\/span>
much for<\/span> joining us today.<\/span><\/span><\/span>
You’ve been thinking about the metaverse for almost 20 years. Since you established Second<\/span>
Life, I know a variety of things happened<\/span> –<\/span> Roblox, which gave us a virtual gaming universe,<\/span>
Bitcoin, tokenized currency and an evolving virtual<\/span> world. Facebook acquired Oculus, to get into<\/span>
the metaverse. Decentraland<\/span> is a 3D virtual world browser<\/span>–<\/span>based platform<\/span>. And then we saw the<\/span>
launch of Fortnite. We had two broad announcements from Facebook and Microsoft. And we are<\/span>
now stepping into the met<\/span>averse with so much curiosity. What do you think has captured the<\/span>
imagination of tech innovators, businesses and consumers, now than ever before? Is this the<\/span>
confluence of technologies? Is it the pandemic which created a need for a virtual world for all of<\/span>
us to interact in? Do we need to be cautious? I’m trying to understand what’s going on.<\/span><\/span><\/span>
Philip Rosedale<\/span> 0<\/span>3<\/span>:<\/span>54<\/span><\/span>
Changes that have happening from the time Second Life became widely used. I’d add Minecraft,<\/span>
looking at how kids have been exploring virtual wo<\/span>rlds together. But I think as you said, COVID<\/span>
has probably been one of the biggest instigators along with Facebook’s most recent claim of the<\/span>
overall marketspace. COVID has created this situation where we all have had to wonder whether<\/span>
we’re going to have<\/span> to use online technology to replace some of our social and entertainment<\/span>
experiences. And so, I think at a very high level, the industry and the big tech companies are all<\/span>
trying to figure out, how to participate in something like that in providing online<\/span> access to social<\/span>
and entertainment experiences.<\/span><\/span><\/span>
Ravi Kumar<\/span> 0<\/span>4<\/span>:<\/span>51<\/span><\/span>
And, and Philip, which industries, sectors or type of companies you think will gain the most from<\/span>
the metaverse? And do you see a specific opportunity for b2b brands? And how might that evo<\/span>lve?<\/span>
Where do you think the opportunity is for industries?<\/span><\/span><\/span>
Philip Rosedale<\/span> 0<\/span>5<\/span>:<\/span>36<\/span><\/span>
Well, we saw a little bit of this with Second Life in the 2000s. There, I think we saw smart industries<\/span>
that look at specific vertical applications that take advantage of both virtual worlds and VR, things<\/span>
like simulation of business training, you know, ta<\/span>king apart the engine of an airplane and being<\/span>
able to walk through it with a bunch of other people in VR. These are examples that are going to<\/span>
work today, I think that some of the problems that we have about broadly using virtual world and<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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VR technology,<\/span> are around governance. And I think that we will see use of both VR and desktop<\/span>
technology, by enterprises today, in a way that we did see a little bit of an example in the 2000s.<\/span>
And I do think the time is right to go beyond Zoom if you will.<\/span><\/span><\/span>
Ravi Kumar<\/span> 0<\/span>6<\/span>:<\/span>30<\/span><\/span>
We are toying with this idea of metaverse for education and learning. Do you see the metaverse<\/span>
playing a significant role in intertwining education and work? We are very excited about that<\/span>
opportunity.<\/span><\/span><\/span>
Philip Rosedale<\/span> 07:<\/span>07<\/span><\/span>
It does feel like the co<\/span>mbination of remote access obviously, as a fundamental thing that we now<\/span>
are all embracing as an industry, broadly, the combination of that. And the ability of virtual worlds<\/span>
to put people face to face in a much more memorable and comfortable way is someth<\/span>ing that will<\/span>
drive changes. And I agree with you, I actually think if you look at something like Ready Player<\/span> –<\/span>
a work of fiction<\/span> –<\/span> the thing that was left out when they made the movie, in my opinion, was this<\/span>
implication for education. The very idea was<\/span> that kids were now going to school from home using<\/span>
virtual reality. They left that out of the movie, which I found so frustrating because I agree with<\/span>
you. I think that if we make it much, much easier to do continuing education, for example, or<\/span>
training, w<\/span>e’re going to disintermediate universities in some regard, you know. I’ve talked to<\/span>
schools about this and see a really different kind of delivery pipeline for education. And I think as<\/span>
you say that the key virtual world experience, key technologies that e<\/span>nable that kind of experience<\/span>
are exactly what’s going to make it possible and a distinctly better experience than what we’re<\/span>
doing today, mostly with online video conferencing.<\/span><\/span><\/span>
Ravi Kumar<\/span> 08:<\/span>22<\/span><\/span>
And it’s going to be much more immersive if you could inter<\/span>twine it with work. The current Internet<\/span>
in its centralized form, has very imbalanced creative economics. People are upset about data<\/span>
controls and monetizing attention. In some ways the future will be built on web 3.0 technologies<\/span>
decentralized ledger. Thi<\/span>s holds the promise of creating a more equitable balance between<\/span>
participants and creators with this potentially leading to a participant<\/span>–<\/span>led economy bridging the<\/span>
divide. How do you think this economy will shape up? I know you did a little bit of that in S<\/span>econd<\/span>
Life as well, your economics is not related to advertising and promotional activities, it’s more<\/span>
subscription<\/span>–<\/span>based.<\/span><\/span><\/span>
Philip Rosedale<\/span> 09<\/span>:<\/span>37<\/span><\/span>
I observe that the internet is still very decentralized for a lot of experiences, for a lot of companies.<\/span>
When you help a company put a new service or a product online, fundamentally, you know, you’re<\/span>
generally enabling them to operate in what is still a v<\/span>ery decentralized way. But you are right, a<\/span>
couple of companies, you know, probably most notably, Facebook and Google, have built<\/span>
business models around being an intermediary that captures a large share of creator content as<\/span>
it’s delivered to the world thr<\/span>ough social media. And I do agree with the enthusiasm around fixing<\/span>
some of that intermediation. But I would note that, it doesn’t apply to the whole internet. Second<\/span>
Life was a very interesting experiment in an early cryptocurrency that was sort of partly<\/span>
decentralized and partly centralized. And so, it’s a fascinating kind of case study for the future<\/span>
right now. And it enabled people to engage in trade in a very fair and open and kind of micro<\/span>
transaction sort of way. And as you last said, and I’ll repeat<\/span> it, Second Life is a demonstration that<\/span>
you can have a great business that doesn’t manipulate behavior or get in the middle of content<\/span>
creators. And I think those two are sort of the same problem. Second Life is a business based<\/span>
entirely on fees, transact<\/span>ion fees, and land fees, and therefore, you know, doesn’t get in the way<\/span>
of the creators and, the company still generates more money per user per year than Facebook<\/span>
and Google.<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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<\/span>Ravi Kumar<\/span> 1<\/span>1<\/span>:<\/span>2<\/span>5<\/span><\/span>
In some ways, the economics model is very different as well<\/span>, I was wondering whether the<\/span>
economics pushed you to not grow, or it’s the other way around<\/span> –<\/span> Facebook has two plus billion<\/span>
people. And I heard you quoting in one of your interviews, saying that this decision to live in the<\/span>
digital world is a serious one.<\/span> And people have to think through how much serious time they would<\/span>
really spend on this virtual reality. I’m kind of curious to know, is there a learning from your Second<\/span>
Life experience?<\/span><\/span><\/span>
Philip Rosedale<\/span> 12:<\/span>14<\/span><\/span>
You are right. When I started Second Life, l<\/span>ike a lot of entrepreneurs here in Silicon Valley in the<\/span>
late 90s, early 2000s, it sort of seemed like everything we could offer people online was a good<\/span>
thing. Looking back now, more than 20 years later, I think we made some mistakes. There were<\/span>
certainly<\/span> reasons to not spend too much time on your phone or on social media or on the internet<\/span>
overall. And so I think that, it’s a very fair point. And going back to what you said about stabilizing<\/span>
a million people, I’m pretty sure that Second Life didn’t stabil<\/span>ize because people are not yet ready,<\/span>
mostly, to engage particularly in social and entertainment experiences online, we still have<\/span>
fundamental research we need to do. And Second Life is proof of this with its smaller base of<\/span>
residents, that we still have w<\/span>ork to do to make the social and entertainment experience<\/span>
compelling for people. And as I’ve said before, I’m not even sure that’s a bad thing. I think, as you<\/span>
started to say, we should be very cautious about how we spend our time and why we’re online<\/span>
and<\/span> what we’re doing when we’re there.<\/span><\/span><\/span>
Ravi Kumar<\/span> 1<\/span>3<\/span>:<\/span>30<\/span><\/span>
In fact, there\u2019s interesting research<\/span> –<\/span> stats last year said that, at an average 46% of the people<\/span>
use five to six hours on the phone and I’m one of them. We’ve got the point because there was<\/span>
more co<\/span>–<\/span>c<\/span>reation and co<\/span>–<\/span>innovation by communities around the phone ecosystem, the iPhone<\/span>
ecosystem. Do you see a similar evolution happening in virtual spaces? Tell us a little bit about<\/span>
how that can be evangelized?<\/span><\/span><\/span>
Philip Rosedale<\/span> 1<\/span>4<\/span>:<\/span>24<\/span><\/span>
Well, first of all, I wou<\/span>ld say that the as you say, Second Life started right at the beginning of the<\/span>
smartphone revolution, we missed the smartphone like Facebook and all the other companies<\/span>
that started right there in the early 2000s, when the iPhone came out in 2007. So, I thi<\/span>nk that we<\/span>
all learned a lot from that moment on the smartphone and of course, the smartphone is a dominant<\/span>
way that people worldwide access the internet, but the smartphone is a difficult way to be really<\/span>
immersed, particularly in an entertainment or soci<\/span>al experience. It’s much more approachable for<\/span>
things like industrial applications, training, you know, things where you’re very purposeful. But the<\/span>
the smartphone is a difficult way to be immersed. And so I think that’s going to set back progress<\/span>
a little<\/span> bit as we go toward these metaverse<\/span>–<\/span>style three dimensional environments. But I think the<\/span>
important thing here to think about is not so much the technology or the devices through which<\/span>
we access the internet, but more what we’re doing when we’re there. An<\/span>d I think the thing that<\/span>
we’re at risk as a species right now is reducing trust and intimate communication between people.<\/span>
I think that one of the problems, largely unintentional, of the internet, is that product designers<\/span>
have succeeded in separating peop<\/span>le from each other where we thought we would have brought<\/span>
everybody together. So, I think that it’s important to build these metaverse worlds as we become<\/span>
three dimensional as we start to have these live experiences with a focus on giving people the<\/span>
same q<\/span>uality and trust building and collaborative opportunity as they have when face to face with<\/span>
each other, as we have in real life as much as we possibly can.<\/span><\/span><\/span>
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I’m hopeful that web 3.0 technologies, which will be the underpinnings of the met<\/span>averse will create<\/span>
that trust on the internet. And hopefully we transition from an economy which is very attention<\/span>
seeking to an economy which is value driven. On one side we have digital fatigue and digital<\/span>
minimalism as people call it from this immersive<\/span> hyper<\/span>–<\/span>connected virtual world. Why then do we<\/span>
need to be on the metaverse? Is this an opportunity to create like an alternate world, where you<\/span>
find it more satisfying, more level playing, more inclusion, and a reset of the digital divide we have<\/span>
created?<\/span><\/span><\/span>
Philip Rosedale<\/span> 1<\/span>7<\/span>:<\/span>13<\/span><\/span>
And now I’d say a couple things about that. One is, remote work. And I’m sure that your company<\/span>
is on the frontlines of this with your customers. I fear as we go back from a fully remote situation,<\/span>
which is dominating during COVID,<\/span> to a hybrid environment where we have multiple people in a<\/span>
meeting room, and then multiple people that are trying to join that meeting from remote, I think<\/span>
that is both a tremendous problem and an opportunity for innovation. I don’t think we have nearly<\/span>
a<\/span>ny of the solutions yet for that. And then, you know, I think as regards digital fatigue, you know,<\/span>
we spent a ton of time so far at High Fidelity looking at things like spatial audio, and also kind of<\/span>
what’s wrong with video conferencing, you know, and a<\/span> lot of that fatigue are these problems that<\/span>
result from having a lot of faces looking at you or seemingly looking at you. And it doesn’t happen<\/span>
as much in a one on one conversation like we’re having, but it does happen in a group<\/span>
conversation, maybe it goe<\/span>s up even non linearly as you increase the number of people in the<\/span>
room. So I think that there’s a positive opportunity to give people a more relaxing, less fatiguing<\/span>
experience, say as avatars in virtual spaces and address some of the research and the prob<\/span>lem<\/span>
that you’re talking about.<\/span><\/span><\/span>
Ravi Kumar<\/span> 1<\/span>8<\/span>:4<\/span>9<\/span><\/span>
I think working all remote is relatively easy. Working physical of course, we’re used to. Hybrid is<\/span>
harder, because you just need to create an equality of experience between the physical and virtual<\/span>
worlds. What are the biggest challenges for experimenting with the metaverse for companies that<\/span>
are intrigued by it, but don’t know where to start with? The use cases are not very mature. What<\/span>
should companies be thinking about if they want to start this j<\/span>ourney?<\/span><\/span><\/span>
Philip Rosedale<\/span> 19<\/span>:<\/span>32<\/span><\/span>
I talk about this a lot as it relates to broad uses of the metaverse. But you know, people like to try<\/span>
things like VR headsets, for example. And even virtual worlds with avatars, they’ll try it one time,<\/span>
and they’ll never co<\/span>me back again. But they’ll actually report the experience as being a positive<\/span>
one, which is actually a fascinating finding in product development. But what I would say for you,<\/span>
for your customers is to think about starting small with a very specific use ca<\/span>se, getting it working,<\/span>
and then being very particular about post testing, that people prefer it to, say a video conferencing<\/span>
equivalent or to whatever they were doing before, and really being thorough about that user study.<\/span>
Because it’s easy to be mistake<\/span>n and believe that you have something working, that is fatiguing<\/span>
or, or has too high a transaction cost, you know, putting the headset on or whatever, and ultimately<\/span>
doesn’t get used. We’ve seen a lot of that on the consumer side. And I think you’re going<\/span> to see<\/span>
the same thing on the enterprise side as people try to build solutions.<\/span><\/span><\/span>
Ravi Kumar<\/span> 2<\/span>0<\/span>:3<\/span>7<\/span><\/span>
We know that the real metaverse is years away. When do you see the metaverse evolving to a<\/span>
general purpose, population grade technology or a general purpose population grade platform<\/span>
scale? What do you see are the technology advances which are critical for<\/span> the evolution of the<\/span>
metaverse in the future?<\/span><\/span><\/span>
Philip Rosedale<\/span> 2<\/span>1<\/span>:3<\/span>9<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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We’ve got the hardware that we’re going to use. So there’s the virtual world and metaverse<\/span>
technology deployed to the desktop. And then there’s the second stage technology deployed on<\/span>
e<\/span>ither AR VR goggles. Let me talk about the AR and VR goggles. I think they’re ways out farther<\/span>
than people think. Except for industrial applications, like simulation and training, which we touched<\/span>
on earlier for entertainment and casual use business meetin<\/span>gs, live events and things like that. I<\/span>
think the VR headsets and AR devices are more than five years out at this point. The reason for<\/span>
that is that there’s just critical work such as weight, just comfort, the feeling of being blindfolded<\/span>
in the real world<\/span> that are very difficult physical problems to address in the hardware. So, I think<\/span>
we’re far out there. If you bring it in closer, though, to say, the desktop devices, desktop and<\/span>
smartphone will dominate us over the next five years. The challenges there,<\/span> as you say, to get<\/span>
from the hype stage to really, really heavy usage are related to I think two areas. One is the nature<\/span>
of the avatar, we have to build a virtual person that is comfortable enough for a regular say<\/span>
business person to come to a meeting wear<\/span>ing they have to be comfortable being an avatar. I<\/span>
think we’re close on that but we’re not quite there but there’s a lot of good evidence in the<\/span>
marketplace. You know techniques like epics, meta humans, and you know, there’s bunches of<\/span>
bits of examples com<\/span>ing out that show us the way there. But I think over the next five years, the<\/span>
first area is the quality of the Avatar that’s going to have to get a good deal better to get the<\/span>
average person to come to a meeting. The second thing is getting a lot of people<\/span> in one place.<\/span>
This is partly what we’ve worked on with High Fidelity and audio. Many human experiences as<\/span>
we know our experiences where there’s say more than 100 people in attendance, you know,<\/span>
whether you’re talking about a freshman college class, or a m<\/span>usic event, or almost any kind of<\/span>
entertainment experience, you’ve typically got a lot of people standing around, and the technology<\/span>
needs to get there to enable lots of people in one place. The examples we’ve seen over the last<\/span>
couple of years have been t<\/span>oy examples that typically have a dozen people in one place. Second<\/span>
Life got about 100 people in one place, but barely. High Fidelity has done some tests with 500<\/span>
people in one place wearing VR headsets. But in any case, we’ve got to get to the kind of aud<\/span>ience<\/span>
size that you would say, have visiting a website. And we’re not quite there yet. And so, I think the<\/span>
next five years are going to be critical to see Avatar improvements at scale.<\/span><\/span><\/span>
Ravi Kumar<\/span> 2<\/span>4<\/span>:2<\/span>0<\/span><\/span>
Phillip, do you see interoperability between differe<\/span>nt metaverse is in the future?<\/span><\/span><\/span>
Philip Rosedale<\/span> 2<\/span>4<\/span>:3<\/span>2<\/span><\/span>
There’s going to have to be some interest. But I think the ways we’re talking about it today don’t<\/span>
really make a lot of sense. Today, people are talking about, say, wearing the same tennis shoes<\/span>
betwe<\/span>en two or three different video games. But I don’t think that’s very likely to happen because<\/span>
game are by design their own universes, they have a holistic quality to them, which is implicit in<\/span>
the design of them and then in their appeal. So, I think the co<\/span>nversation about how we drive a car<\/span>
from Fortnite into Among Us or something like that is kind of a silly conversation. But the business<\/span>
conversation, on the other hand, about how you might come to a business meeting, wearing a<\/span>
suit that you bought, is a v<\/span>ery important one. And I think it’s there that we will see some<\/span>
interoperability standards continue to develop. I mean, there are early fledgling efforts around that<\/span>
right now. But I do think, once we have business use cases that are real, we’re definitely<\/span> going to<\/span>
have content interoperability that will fall out of that. And I think the network effects will drive it to<\/span>
happen as producers want to have their content accessible on more platforms.<\/span><\/span><\/span>
Ravi Kumar<\/span> 2<\/span>5<\/span>:3<\/span>5<\/span><\/span>
So well said, the metaverse will have a net<\/span>work effect. You know, I actually wish that the next<\/span>
time you and I talk to our audiences, we will do this conversation in the metaverse.<\/span><\/span><\/span>
Philip Rosedale<\/span> 25:55<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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Thank you very much for having me. It was great.<\/span><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

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Have A Great Week From All Of Us At Zoha Islands\/Fruit Islands<\/h2>\n
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